From jad@ckuxb.att.com Ukn Jan 7 09:31:22 1993 Received: from att-out.att.com by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA07346; Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:31:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9301071431.AA07346@css.itd.umich.edu> From: jad@ckuxb.att.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:27 EST To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu Status: RO X-Status: Article 17450 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 20, The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software Message-ID: <1992Nov17.164944.26630@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: CIA = Murder Inc., CIA desecrates the People's Constitution Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:49:44 GMT Lines: 175 I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) PAUL DeRIENZO: I see, from my investigations over the years .... I understand the type of organization that Wackenhut is. I've covered them in writing before and read stuff about them, and I know their connections to the C.I.A. It's interesting, reading your article here, about some of the capabilities of PROMIS, the software that was stolen from Inslaw, and that there's an updated version in the works that would allow the deduction of future or potential actions of a person being traced. HARRY MARTIN: It's really frightening to think what the computer age is going to do to individuality. PAUL DeRIENZO: Can you tell us a little bit about what this software does? It's worth a lot of money, on one hand. But, on the other hand, it seems that this software has a tremendous amount of power. HARRY MARTIN: It has power because, again, it was designed by Bill to trace and track everything. Consider the number of court cases and the number of witnesses, and the number of people in the witness protection program, and the number of criminals that exist in the United States. This was to be a nationwide system that could track all that. I mean, that's tremendous information. It's tremendous power. And it's quite an innovation. And, of course, it has been used by the Israelis and some of the others for tracking military. Now, we ran into a strange case ourselves. Back in the early `80s I was the publisher of several defense publications. And the Israelis came to us with a program to market to the different defense companies in the United States. It dealt with the complete military structure, and who's who and what's what. I mean, it even got down almost to the number of shoelaces, how many handguns -- everything. And the Israelis said that they couldn't market it. Later on, what we found out was the reason that they couldn't technically market it -- besides that it was Mossad information -- but it also dealt, probably, with the Inslaw software which they should not have had. You know, they didn't have the license to it. I found those military reports and I notified Bill Hamilton. I found them in a box in storage. I had forgotten all about them, and the letters that went with them. The fact is, if you see those reports, it tells you EVERY SINGLE ITEM of any military organization. I'm talking about: every vehicle, every handgun, every rifle. It gets into numbers and details. And that's what this software has this tremendous power to do. ANDREW PHILLIPS: Give us a sense of how valuable this is. What sort of dollar value do you put on this kind of software? HARRY MARTIN: Inslaw had a ten million dollar contract just to do the Justice Department. Mind you now, we're talking about intelligence agencies throughout the United States and many countries, and we're talking about even the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. So, if it's ten million dollars just for the U.S. Justice Department, what is it to military intelligence and to all these other organizations around the world? It's got to be mind-boggling. But remember -- it wasn't because of the particular dollar value of Inslaw as much as the "Eagle" project to replace all computers in the whole Justice System. But it required the Inslaw software program in it. That's where the value was -- in setting up all that hardware. And they needed to get the Inslaw in order to get the contract fulfilled. PAUL DeRIENZO: It's my understanding that there are a number of companies -- that were built up along the lines of the Wackenhut security group -- that, in fact, owe their beginnings to intelligence personnel who were purged in the `70s after the revelations of the involvement in Chile and with the involvement in the assassination attempts in Cuba, and the Bay of Pigs, etc. etc.; and that the Brooks Intelligence Committee led to a certain amount of light being shined on these activities, and a number of these people were retired early, and they went into the private security field. Also, these people, who went into the private security field, made an alliance with a number of wealthy right-wing individuals who collected private personal files, tracking liberals and potential trouble-makers to the numbers of thousands and tens of thousands of names. As a matter of fact, I did a story a few years ago on a case where the Los Angeles Police Department was told that they had to get rid of these files that they had been keeping from the 60s and 70s on radicals or whatever (liberals, really) judges, etc. They lied and said they had destroyed this material, and then it was discovered in one of their officers' storage facility. And it was then discovered soon afterward that the contents of the files had been sent to an agency of the John Birch Society that specifically followed and created its own database on individuals. So, you can believe that there are out there private organizations, that are well funded, that keep track of people whom they feel that the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. have been scared away from following. HARRY MARTIN: Yes. For instance, Riconosciuto was shown, by a Congressional committee, a list from Wackenhut which is a complete (I don't know if you want to call it a hit list) dossier on various newspaper reporters throughout the country; for instance, on a newspaper reporter in Seattle who was successful in blocking two nuclear power plants from being built. And this is a complete dossier on all these reporters, as well. So they were tracking those things. And maybe this is where Danny and some of those names got on that list. I have not gotten a copy of the list yet. It is in Congressman Miller's [of California?] office from what I understand. We're trying to get the list because I think that would be a pretty shocking revelation for the national media to carry. As you know, sometimes the national media will not carry anything until someone like Danny Casolaro, a reporter, goes down. Then they'll write a story about it. But the main issue is lost. They're more concerned with the death of a reporter. PAUL DeRIENZO: How did this list become publicized? How did it get into the Congressman's hands? HARRY MARTIN: Well, apparently it was part of an investigation. I'm not sure if it's from the Brooks Committee. But apparently, it's a list that was compiled on the behavior of different journalists. Basically, it has [identifies] people who have not gone along with the system of what they [the trackers] believe the system should be. PAUL DeRIENZO: But it seems that, on the bottom of it, after all the complexity is stripped away, it's the same old story of following potential trouble-makers and liberals, investigators, etc., ad nauseum. ANDREW PHILLIPS: The question I want to ask is: Do you think the American People are ready to hear this? Because if we do hear this -- then what the HELL are we going to do about it? (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This is one of countless stories unveiling the deeply corrupted and subverted state of our theoretically democratic Government. This story makes disgustingly obvious the fact that patriotism is not the waving of flags, the tying of yellow ribbons and the mindless support of the Government, just because it happens to be ours. You don't support cancer just because you happen to have it. Patriotism is telling the truth to the people of our country in order that they may unite to conquer the anti-democratic cancer that is gradually destroying ours and our children's freedom. So please post the installments of this ongoing series to other bulletin boards, and post hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. That would be a truly patriotic deed. John DiNardo ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience", if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less. .... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness. M. Scott Peck THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~