From jad@ckuxb.att.com Tue Dec 15 15:59:43 1992 Received: from att-out.att.com by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA10896; Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:59:40 -0500 Message-Id: <9212152059.AA10896@css.itd.umich.edu> From: jad@ckuxb.att.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:54 EST To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu Status: O X-Status: Article 17527 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!uwm.edu!wupost!mont!pencil.cs.missouri.edu!rich From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part I, NAZI DOCTORS Directed by Government, Medicine and Academia Message-ID: <1992Nov23.191943.17498@mont.cs.missouri.edu> Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Keywords: Nazi doctors directed by Government, Medicine and Academia Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:19:43 GMT Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Lines: 151 I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GARY NULL: On today's program, we'll be continuing with the ongoing series entitled, "Hidden Agendas." In this series, we are focusing on a lot of different issues that, generally speaking, are kept from the Public. In other words, we are told one thing .... whether it be that our genetically-altered crops are safe, and therefore, require no inspection and no labeling; or we're told that the latest in vaccines for different diseases, including AIDS, are and should be supported by all of our tax dollars, and not to challenge the institutions that are doing the research -- that they're objective, fair and honest. Likewise, we've been told that the best medical care in the world is available right here; that we are the healthiest people in the world, the longest-lived people in the world; that we have it all. Now, how is it then, that we can reconcile the fact that this eight-hundred-billion-dollar-a-year industry has NOT been able to tame a SINGLE major disease? There has been no statistically significant reduction in arthritis, cancer, AIDS and any other condition that debilitates, including mental illnesses. To the contrary -- they are escalating. And yet, no one seems to be paying attention to their words not matching their deeds. As a result, we feel that there ARE agendas that should be explored. In the last two programs, I was focusing specific attention on the fact that many people have been exposed to contaminants, including low-level radiation and live cancer cell injections; these they were not informed of, and no one did follow-up studies. We do not know enough about the immune system to know whether or not a person exposed to low-level radiation or cancerous tissue, or if viruses that were in that cancerous tissue could have some long-term effect. Yet, they give us assurances that, firstly: no such [secret experimental] studies were done. Wrong! There are documents that prove otherwise. Secondly: if they were done, no harm came to people. Wrong again! We can establish that nine million people have died from low-level radiation exposure in the last forty-five years. After yesterday's program, a professor at one of the leading universities in the New York area called my office. I was just coming into the office when I heard him on my answering machine. He said: "Well, once again you have taken one isolated example of one person, and you've tried to show that this is common in the Scientific Establishment. Speaking as a researcher with a respected institution, I can assure you that these major institutions would not engage in any such kind of activity, nor have they done so in the past." Really? Today's program is devoted to this person and the institution where he has researched. He will find something out about his institution and the history of research done there. Until recently, few of us would have believed that our own Government would pay respected scientists at leading academic institutions to conduct harmful medical experiments on human subjects; few of us would have believed that the Military regularly uses American soldiers as human guinea pigs; few of us would have believed that Government officials prey on subjects who have few resources to refuse such testing: poor people, service people, the terminally ill, prisoners. It would have been even more difficult to imagine that the Government DELIBERATELY exposed the Public to open-air contaminants DESIGNED for chemical and biological warfare. However, with growing Public awareness of Government corruption, profiteering, vested interests and cover-ups, many Americans would not be too surprised to learn that experiments such as these WERE conducted throughout the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, and are ongoing. Those like this gentleman calling yesterday -- who cynically shrug their shoulders with a we-don't- believe-it, or a what-else-is-new attitude -- may not be aware that experiments such as these are not isolated events of the past, but rather, they continue to provide the modus operandi for MOST of Science and for MOST of Medicine in this country today. Today I'd like for you to think for a moment about chemotherapy, radiation, unproven surgical techniques, programs in mass- vaccination, and ask: If you had been so open to accepting both the benefit of these and the lack of toxicity of these, have you been equally concerned about asking for the documentation -- the hard data, and then looking at the epidemiological evidence to see if it is born out by what is [the actual results]? I'm going to document, today and for the next few days, how we are routinely exposed to human experimentation by this nation's Scientific and Medical communities, and by the Government and the Military. In my personal opinion, the results of these experiments and the minds that conceived them are comparable to the human experiments conducted in dictator-controlled Third World countries and in Nazi concentration camps by people of that ilk. Dozens, hundreds of physicians, thousands of people, including scientists, have been involved in these experiments. I have interviewed many of them. Some of them revealed the weaknesses in their character and judgment. Others, to this day, still deny that they were anything but ethical, legal and moral. Because they felt that as long as something advances the body of scientific knowledge, then ALL means should be justified toward that end. I'll explore experimentation conducted by different agencies -- in particular, the Atomic Energy Commission which is now part of the Department of Energy -- as well as the more subtle forms of experimentation that pervade the practice of Medicine today. The massive skill with which these experiments were undertaken necessitated the participation of vast numbers of people in Medicine, Media, bureaucracies and the scientific institutions. Administrators, scientists, planners and academics had to be willing participants. In fact, many of this nation's most prestigious universities were, and continue to be involved, in one way or another. The basic judgment, that in the interest of science human beings are dispensable, had to be accepted unconditionally by all participants in the experiments. From the biologists examining the slides to the doctors administering the radiation to the peer reviewers who read and published the results of each experiment -- all had to be able, in absolute accord, to accept that THEIRS was the objective and ethical consideration. Otherwise, they could have deemed these studies inappropriate. Accordingly, when one looks merely at the experiments conducted over the last forty years, literally thousands of people had to have been involved. Not ONE SINGLE WORD has come from these people to take responsibility for their actions. NO major mainstream media has ever exposed these. Information about these experiments became available only with a great deal of effort on the part of myself and a few other investigative reporters for different publications: MOTHER JONES Magazine, THE VILLAGE VOICE -- over the past several years. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * If you agree that this information is vital to the defense and the preservation of our free society, please assist in its dissemination by posting it to other bulletin boards and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. John DiNardo If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience", if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less. .... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness. M. Scott Peck THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED