From jad@ckuxb.att.com Tue Dec 15 15:59:31 1992 Received: from att-out.att.com by css.itd.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA10886; Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:59:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9212152059.AA10886@css.itd.umich.edu> From: jad@ckuxb.att.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:53 EST To: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu Status: O X-Status: Article 17749 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,misc.activism.progressive Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!mont!pencil.cs.missouri.edu!rich From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) Subject: Part III, NAZI DOCTORS Directed by Government, Medicine and Academia Message-ID: <1992Dec2.211858.14657@mont.cs.missouri.edu> Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Keywords: Nazi doctors directed by Government, Medicine and Academia Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pencil.cs.missouri.edu Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 21:18:58 GMT Approved: map@pencil.cs.missouri.edu Lines: 159 I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) GARY NULL: At Columbia University Hospital, Presbyterian Hospital and Montefiore Hospital in New York [City], during the late 50s, twelve cancer patients were injected with radioactive calcium and strontium -- to see what it would do. These experiments and others -- many others -- have to raise some questions. Did Government agencies fund or sponsor programs which cross the line that no scientific researcher can ever be permitted to traverse? Did American scientists mimic the kind of demented human experiments conducted by the Nazis? Unfortunately, the answer is yes. But nothing will happen to them -- then or today. The nuclear medical experiments fell into two general categories. In the first group, human subjects were injected or fed radioactive material in order that its passage through the body could be monitored. The major objective of these experiments was to compare the physiological reactions with computer-generated mathematical models that estimate the effect of various doses of radiation on the body. Now, although these experiments did provide information on the retention and absorption of radioactive material by the human body, the experiments were nonetheless repugnant because human subjects were essentially used as guinea pigs and as calibration devices. In the second group of experiments, radioactive material was actually INTENDED to cause damage to the human body, and the experimenters sought to correlate the amount of damage done with the dose received. In many of these experiments, the human subjects were captive populations or a group of individuals whom experimenters might frighten by having considered them expendable: the elderly and the hospital patients. In other experiments, the subjects were volunteers. But they were unaware of what they were doing. They were not given full information. For most, informed consent was absent. Also, according to a Government report: (quote) "The Government covered up the nature of the experiments and deceived the families of dead victims as to what had transpired." (unquote) There's a chilling lack of humanity in the Department of Energy documents reporting these experiments. For example, if you were to look at the actual document that I have in my possession, here's how it reads; and this shows you the impersonality of it: (quote) "Category 1.001, Number 1: Subjects were diagnosed as within ten years of death. One subject was a child. No evidence of informed consent. Potential doses of radiation much greater than occupational limits." (unquote) Now what does that say beyond what it says. First, it's just "Category 1.001, Number 1". And it talks about a child, but there were many subjects, one of which was a child. And they're estimating that the child has ten years to live? There's no way that any human being on Earth can tell you that you have ten years to live. Therefore, they didn't have any informed consent -- and they INTENTIONALLY exposed this child to FAR greater doses of radiation than what would be considered occupational limits which, in itself, was considered high. And, of course, a child's body is not that of an adult; and the occupational limit is based upon an adult threshold. A child's threshold is much, much smaller. So, for the child, they were giving, in effect, lethal doses of radiation. They KILLED the child ! But, again -- anything you do in the United States Government, in the name of security or science, is forgiven. You will not and cannot, by law, be held accountable. You're indemnified. (quote) "Category 1.003, Number 119: Subjects were hospital patients. Some doses of radiation produced kidney damage." (unquote) (quote) "Category 11.001, Number 173: Radioactive iodine was INTENTIONALLY released into the environment." (unquote) Mind you -- these are SECRET Government reports that I managed to get from the different agencies, and I have independently verified them. Here they're admitting that they INTENTIONALLY released radiation into the environment -- to see what happens. Now, the details beyond the "Category and Number" classifications are even less reassuring. Just what does "Category 1.001, Number 1" mean? In the body of the text, we read, under the heading "Plutonium Injections Into Humans", that during a two-year period, eighteen patients were injected with plutonium. Now these experiments were carried out under the "Manhattan Project", a consortium of American scientists, military and Government officials who gave us the atomic bomb. A number of well-known hospitals were involved, including Strong-Moore[sp] Hospital in Rochester, New York, Billings Hospital, the University of Chicago, University Hospital, University of California, San Francisco. So, as you see -- and to the gentleman who called yesterday -- your hospital was one! You wouldn't have known that. But I'm showing you what the actual documents say. The rationale for these experiments was that accurate information was supposedly needed on the retention and excretion of (quote) "internally-deposited plutonium" (unquote) so that the researchers could set some standards. The information was supposedly needed because workers at the "Manhattan Project" handled plutonium and, therefore, they wanted to know what amount would affect them. Animal experiments had produced conflicting data, and they felt that they needed to have humans to have the right data. Alright. If you're going to conduct experiments on humans, then who do you choose to inject with deadly, radioactive plutonium? Now, the original criteria -- according to the documents that I've obtained -- specify that subjects (quote) "should be older, with relatively shorter life expectancies." (unquote) Well, who determines that? There's no way of determining that. Yet, all subjects chosen were diagnosed as having diseases that gave them an expected survival rate of at least ten years. Most of the subjects were over forty-five, but one was only five-years-old. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * If you agree that this information is vital to the defense and the preservation of our free society, please help to disseminate it by posting it to other bulletin boards and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. John DiNardo If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience", if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less. .... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness. M. Scott Peck THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED