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Mike Beebe (beebe@netcom.com) wrote:

: Make no mistake: violence is the ONLY answer!
:
: There's no way that 218 years of entrenched gov't is gonna move it's
: bloated ass unless it's done at gun-point. Revolution, violent or otherwise,
: is a constitutional responsibility. Wether you want to believe it or not,
: one stick of dynamite will always accomplish more than one vote. The only
: way we'll ever get our elected hyenas to listen to citizens, as opposed to
: Big Business, special interests and PAC's, is to to put the living fear of
: god into them and there's no better way to do it than with hard outburst
: of truly vicious violence.
:
:   It worked in Isreal
:   It worked in South LA
:   It's working in Nortern Ireland.
:
: Violence: It's what's for dinner!

>>> End of post by Mike Beebe (beebe@netcom.com) <<<


No.

This is the last time I'm going to address this subject. I won't be part 
of such a discussion...

Let's go ahead and leave the moral and ethical entailments of your "dynamite 
diplomacy" aside, since morality and ethics seem to have no bearing on your 
position. Let's just look at the strategic realities.

The US government has at its disposal more high-powered, sophisticated 
armament than any nation our planet has ever seen. Along with vast stockpiles
of conventional armaments are biological, chemical and strategic nuclear
weaponry -- including the neutron bomb, nuclear artillary, and God knows what
else -- all designed to kill or disable people while leaving the material 
infrastucture relatively intact.

Remember: the United States is the only nation that has used nuclear 
weapons in anger, and done so on two occasions. After World War II, 
populations of Pacific islanders were conciously used as nuclear test
subjects, covered by fallout during hydrogen bomb expolsions, and then 
studied. 

And the US government has frequently used such weaponry on its own citizens.
Biological agents have been tested on a number of large population centers, 
including the San Francisco Bay Area and Portland, Oregon. Nuclear tests 
were done on unsuspecting and unwarned resident of Idaho, New Mexico and 
Nevada. Government personel closely studied the effects of these tests, 
watching large numbers of US citizens sicken and die, while denying all
knowledge of the cause. These people -- "Down Winders" they call 
themselves -- are still suffering. Radiation, biological and chemical  
experiments have been carried out on unsuspecting American citizens for 
over 40 years. Dispite strident government denials, they are quite likely 
going on this very day. 

This is not some wacko "conspiracy theory". It is part of the historical 
record, a record you are free -- for the present -- to inspect. No doubt every 
chemical and biological agent the US government has at its disposal has 
been secretly tested on unsuspecting Americans, in service of our
"National Security."

"Do Anything. Deny Everything. Never Give Up." This is the motto of the
National Security State.

So we know that the power elite in this country are capable of doing 
anything to defend against a percieved threat. Remember, there is no great 
love in the halls of power for San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles.
Large urban areas are seen as bastions of "liberal" culture, full of 
malcontents and welfare bums. In the event of *serious* civil strife, you 
can be certain as the day is long that the State would not hesitate to
decimate the populations of however many American cities it would take to 
regain control.

500,000 military personel died in the Civil War. The resolve that lies behind
this figure has, if anything, become firmer in the last 100 years.

To argue that US citizens should engage in armed encounters with the United 
States Government can only be described as irresponsible, self destructive, 
adolescent posturing.

I repeat: VIOLENCE IS WRONG. IT WON'T WORK. IT WILL DESTROY EVERYTHING 
YOU HOLD DEAR.

Educate yourself. Educate others. Work for peace, and work for justice.

End of rant.

-- dd --
                              = Daniel Davidson =
                         San Francisco State University
                            davidson@mercury.sfsu.edu

              It is considered appropriate to sustain conditions which
                  are against the best interests of almost everyone.







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